Tuesday, July 16, 2013

Re: [Geology2] Re: Study links earthquake activity to wastewater from fracking



When the articles cited actually contain scientific data to support their position; and well defined experiments to show their theory actually predicts the physical findings, there is NO data that support the conclusions that have been stated.  Therefore, I find that all the rhetoric being published has no merit.  It is all emotion, not science, and useless to form a conclusion.

john


On Tue, Jul 16, 2013 at 1:05 PM, Melinda <missmelinda99@yahoo.com> wrote:
 

I have been reading all the posts on fracking and I usually don't post to any of the groups. I just read the different articles. As a liberal arts major with a little bit of a background in geology I feel the need to respond on several levels.

I was working on a dual degree one in geoscience and the other in sociology. I have since decided to currently to just finish the sociology degree. My area of focus in sociology is environmental sociology. I have been researching and writing a paper on fracking.

I feel everything I have read on the topic has been biased in some way. The companies spin things in their favor because they have money on the line and the extreme environmentalist groups have their spin that it is the worst thing ever. The actual truth lies somewhere in between. I tried to write a neutral paper on the environmental problems associated with fracking last semester for a geology class and it was extremely hard to do. The paper I am currently writing I a focusing on the moratorium on fracking in New York and the debate between both sides.

I am personally against fracking because natural gas is still a nonrenewable resource and I feel we need to be finding other alternatives. I also feel that if we are going to use fracking as a way to extract natural gas and oil in some cases we need to proceed with caution and we need to continue to do research on the effects of fracking. We have a lot of great theories in geology about how things work within the Earth, but there are still uncertainties involved. I personally believe that the fracking processes can cause earthquakes or at least seismic activity. If this causes more pressure to build up along zones of weakness or allows for the pressure to be released gradually is something that needs to be studied.

Melinda

--- In geology2@yahoogroups.com, MEM <mstreman53@...> wrote:
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> Unfortunately this article is "Yellow Journalism" that deliberately distorted the study findings.   The study is about "waste water injection proper" and the fact that less than 1% of our waste water comes from hydrological fracturing operations aka fracking was deliberately omitted. The headline using the term "fracking" was included to insure it fed the hysteria about the "evil" fracking industry-the definition of Yellow Journalism.
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> Fracking makes gas extraction greener than it ever was but don't let that interfere with the rights that the lefties have to keep their panties in a wad because they are easily manipulated by their science-free liberal arts educations. 
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> I read all three papers last night and "fracking tremors" were only casually mentioned to distinguish them from waste water injection well triggered seismic events. Waste water injections have been going on for what?--4 decades?  Each Fracking well uses 10s perhaps 1-2 thousands of gallons and not millions of gallons of mixture.  High pressure yes, but very localized and very constrained. Ergo the total energy (hydrolic pressure) imparted into the environment is very small compared to everything else mankind does. The tremors are from micro fractures where natural lines of weakness are wedged open.  Comparable to a tenth mile long line of jackhammers taking a few strokes then moving to the next 1/10  mile segment.  I know that in Pennsylvania they have mobile waste water treatment plants that capture and reprocess the waste water--with the water released back into streams.  Be it remembered that all the water, sand, and surfactant has to be trucked


> to the well head. Does anyone really believe that "millions" of gallons of water are used in each gas production well 15-20 thousand gallons at a time and then all stored on site until ready to use?
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> Every time I see this type of journalism, I am reminded of the joke Buck Henry punked the public with back in the 50s:  The Society for the Preventing Indecency in Animals.  He and his friends started a joke "activist society" for keeping animals clothed / diapered so their privates weren't visible just to see how many suckers could be signed up. The press took up the cause, 10s of thousands of citizens joined with no questions asked. Thousands paid for posters/signs to nail to telephone poles to promote the effort.
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