Monday, June 22, 2015

RE: [californiadisasters] Lake Fire wilderness intensity?



i was on scanner from that very first call that went out, and yes it could have been 
stopped with in the first 2 Hours,,, as air craft was up in the air near this fire and had a load ready 
to drop they were told to stand down,,, i couldnt believe it and the pilots on board were 
blown away too.. who ever was in charge if this incident in the begining in my opion should 
have not been allowed to take the lead,, from that momet on it was down hill from there 

my 2 cents, the station fire, 

To: californiadisasters@yahoogroups.com
From: californiadisasters@yahoogroups.com
Date: Mon, 22 Jun 2015 09:12:43 -0700
Subject: Re: [californiadisasters] Lake Fire wilderness intensity?

 

Sounds like what happened during the Station Fire in 2009. The USFS waited too long to request mutual aid. By the time they finally did the fire was totally out of hand. T
  • The Station Fire (August 26 – October 16, 160,577 acres (251 sq mi; 650 km2), 209 structures destroyed, including 89 homes)[33] started in the Angeles National Forest near the U.S. Forest Service ranger station on the Angeles Crest Highway (State Highway 2).[34][35] Two firefighters, Captain Tedmund Hall and Firefighter Specialist Arnie Quinones were killed on August 30 while attempting to escape the flames when their fire truck plunged off a cliff.[36] The blaze threatened 12,000 structures in the National Forest and the nearby communities of La Cañada Flintridge, Glendale, Acton, La Crescenta, Littlerock and Altadena, as well as the Sunland and Tujunga neighborhoods of the City of Los Angeles.[37] Many of these areas faced mandatory evacuations as the flames drew near, but as of September 6, all evacuation orders were lifted.[38] The Station Fire burned on the slopes of Mount Wilson, threatening numerous television, radio and cellular telephone antennas on the summit, as well as the Mount Wilson Observatory, which includes several historically significant telescopes and multi-million-dollar astronomical facilities operated by UCLA, USC, UC Berkeley and Georgia State University.[39] A 40-mile (64-kilometer) stretch of the Angeles Crest Highway was closed until 2010 due to guardrail and sign damage, although the pavement remained largely intact.[40]

On September 3, officials announced that the Station Fire was caused by arson and that a homicide investigation had been initiated because of the deaths of the firefighters involved. Investigators discovered a substance at the fire's point of origin which they believe may have accelerated the flames.[41] The two firefighters, assigned to a fire inmate hand crew camp (jointly operated by the Los Angeles County Fire Department and California Department of Corrections[42]), had been searching for a safe escape zone to help evacuate the camp's inmate crews who were being forced to evacuate due to the Station Fire threatening the camp.[43] As of September 15, $93.8 million (US) had been spent fighting the fire at 91% contained with full containment by September 19.[44] It was 100% contained at 7:00 pm PST on Friday, October 16, 2009, due to moderate rainfall. Property owners and concerned citizens are demanding a formal Congressional investigation as to why the U.S. Forest Service did not contain the fire within the first 48 hours when it was manageable.[citation needed] At 160,557 acres (649.75 km2), the Station Fire is the 10th largest in modern California history,[35][45] and the largest wildfire in the modern history of Los Angeles County, passing the 105,000-acre (164 sq mi; 425 km2) Clampitt Fire of September 1970.[46]


On Sun, Jun 21, 2015 at 5:27 PM, Rick Bates HappyMoosePhoto@gmail.com [californiadisasters] <californiadisasters@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
 

It went to ...

Another AEU Strike Team; Engines, ordered and enroute to Markleeville for immediate need, structure protection. 

USFS equivalent of... Oops. 

Feds, too little, too late.   Again. 

The town is now at risk. 

73,
Rick wa6nhc

Tiny iPhone 5 keypad, typos are inevitable

On Jun 21, 2015, at 4:26 PM, Dan Shapiro dnalaw@sbcglobal.net [californiadisasters] <californiadisasters@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 
Thanks, Rick. Actually, I've been exactly where the fire is burning on several occasions, and it definitely is a full-on forest. Dan


On 6/21/2015 2:05 PM, Rick Bates HappyMoosePhoto@gmail.com [californiadisasters] wrote:
No.  It means the fuels changed, thinning out enough to effect an attack. 

An understory infers a forest, the Lake fire isn't in one. 

73,
Rick wa6nhc

Tiny iPhone 5 keypad, typos are inevitable

On Jun 21, 2015, at 1:19 PM, Dan Shapiro dnalaw@sbcglobal.net [californiadisasters] <californiadisasters@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 
From this it sounds like the fire may be clearing out the understory, no? Anybody have any first hand information about the intensity of the fire in the wilderness?

"Fire within the wilderness is low intensity allowing the firefighters to gain safe ground to effectively attack the fire."   http://inciweb.nwcg.gov/incident/4302/

Dan Shapiro
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