Roger, et al,
Suitcase-sized nuke @ 90 clicks over the U.S. would not do the trick no matter what Empactamerica says not to mention whom would bother with such a small yield-weapon on one of many warheads from a single ICBM.
Such an attack would be treated the same as a typical nuclear attack which is a full counterstrike which renders the EMP attack not only useless but insanely stupid as the EMP-attack launching nation would get nuked by us while merely giving us an EMP attack of dubious severity.
Why do I say that? Because credible research has shown that to pull off an effective EMP attack is not as simple as the Chicken Littles claim it is.
The few nations capable of launching an effective EMP attack upon us (and NO, Iran and Venezuela are NOT two of them and won't be anytime soon because we would take out any system they developed long before it became operational assuming either regime were to even stay in power long enough to get that far) are the same ones who have a credible nuclear strike capability (Russian and China) and that sort of attack is far more destructive.
Why would any government launch a mere EMP attack on the U.S. when the U.S. response is full-on nuclear counterstrike?
Russia DOES NOT have a first strike policy nor does it not have one leaving things intentionally vague while the U.S.S.R. never had one going back to the beginning of the Nuclear Age unlike the U.S. which always has left open the option of a pre-emptive First Strike. Both nations still have more than adequate nuclear capability to take out the other as well as China simultaneously. The reductions of both nation's arsenals has resulted in the lessened ability to be able to move piles of rubble multiple times with repeated strikes on the same targets.
China has an official policy of NO First Strike. China's limited nuclear arsenal is a deterrence against our intervention in their future war with Taiwan. They want to bluff us with the option of our defending Taipei at the cost of losing San Francisco.... or not if we called their bluff and they blinked. China has pledged to never use nukes first against even hated enemies like India and Russia.
M.A.D. and First Strikes and such are not germane to any discussion about the Chinese.
Kimmer
If you are interested in more information and/or helping to get legislation passed to
help protect America's Electric Grid, please refer to www.empactamerica.org
I participated in the "In the Dark" workshop last year and am active with EMPactAmerica.
Yes, EMP and major solar threats are a concern. Yes, all it takes is a suitcase nuke at 60
miles apogee over America to but us in the horse and buggy era, without the horse and
buggy. Yes, Iran has successfully test two missiles suitable, are building a missile base
in Venezuela (although the tests were conducted from a ship), and yes they have an
intent to use EMP. And yes, America does not have any missile detection nor defense
system suitable to defend from an attack launched from submarines, the Gulf nor
Venezuela.
Yes, EMP is part of official first strike doctrine of both Russia and China. Yes, Russia
(and likely China) now have "enhanced EMP", but rogue nations/groups can leverage
"deniability" hence renders MAD as an obsolete notion.
Have a great day,
+Roger
rlf@fraumann.com
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--- In californiadisasters@yahoogroups.com, Kim Noyes <kimnoyes@...> wrote:
>
> *M.A.D. would still apply in this scenario.... any nation launching an
> E.M.P. attack upon the U.S. would A) Risk getting nuked right out of the
> starting gates before their vehicles even launched their warheads as we saw
> their launches from orbit and tracked their I.C.B.M.'s headed towards our
> homeland as we could not know they were not actually armed with regular
> nukes and B) Assuming we waited to counterstrike after we experienced the
> effects of the E.M.P. attack we would reserve the right to treat the attack
> as a regular nuclear attack and counterstrike with actual nukes aimed at
> ground targets bearing in mind that our essential military assets have their
> electronics hardened against E.M.P. effects leaving the civilian sector of
> our civilization to suffer whatever E.M.P. effects the attack achieved.
>
> Kimmer*
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