i live in big bear and yes this road being out is causing alot of trouble for the business that count on folks to come up here,
unknown when this road will be fixed .. we have heard it could take 2 years too..Joann
To: californiadisasters@yahoogroups.com
From: kef413@gmail.com
Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2011 15:00:39 -0800
Subject: Re: [californiadisasters] Digest Number 1424
Even the one place on SR 330 they've shown on the news* will take at least
weeks, if not months, to repair. (Correction: The KCBS/KCAL Website has a
story on this (Jan 6) that says "years".)
Question: When you have nothing but air, how do you build a road on it?
(Hint: It's not like a sinkhole where the land around the hole still
exists.)
And of course, the land that remains is not stable, so even if they could
just go in and rebuild, they can't go in until everything dries out without
falling.
----------------
* One picture of this:
http://abclocal.go.com/kabc/story?section=resources/traffic&id=7868481
----- Original Message -----
From: "Dennis Robertson" <denrob@csusb.edu>
To: <californiadisasters@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, January 25, 2011 2:02 PM
Subject: Re: [californiadisasters] Digest Number 1424
Thanks for posting this, Kim. The devastation
created by this inundation of rain will take some time to be resolved.
RE:
"The mountains received totals of 10 to 28 inches, highest in
the Lytle Creek drainage and Crestline area. "
Our rain gauge in Crestline (5200 feet) recorded
over 33 inches of rain during the six day period
described below. (We're showing over 46 inches
for the season so far.) I'm sure it was more in
the higher elevations that were below snow
level. It truly was relentless at times. (One
day over 10 inches, one day over 8 inches and one day over 6 inches of
rain.)
This is what brought down Highway 330, the major
artery to Running Springs and the Big Bear
area. There is not much media coverage of this
event but since the road repair is expected to
take at least one year Running Springs and Big
Bear area merchants have already suffered
greatly, and will suffer more. Some are likely
to loose their livelihoods due to this
closure. Any patronage of them would be most appreciated, I'm sure.
Dennis Robertson
Crestline, California
At 04:27 AM 1/22/2011, you wrote:
>4.
>
>Nonstop Rain Inundates Southern California
>
>
>
>
>
>Posted by: "Kim Noyes"
><mailto:kimnoyes@gmail.com?Subject=
>Re%3A%20Nonstop%20Rain%20Inundates%20Southern%20California>kimnoyes@gmail.c
om
><http://profiles.yahoo.com/noyeskim>noyeskim
>
>
>
>
>
>Fri Jan 21, 2011 11:29 pm (PST)
>
>
>
>
>*Nonstop Rain Inundates Southern California*
>*by Alex Tardy and Miguel Miller*
>A plume of moisture across the east Pacific began to develop during the
>middle of December. Light precipitation began across the San Bernardino
>Mountains as early as the 15th, but then in-creased over the mountains and
>in the lowlands and coast on Thursday and Friday December 16th and 17th. By
>Friday night, 1 to 3 inches of precipitation had occurred across the San
>Bernardino Mountains and snow levels were near 8000 feet.
>Steadier widespread rainfall began on the 17th and 18th across Orange
County
>and the Inland Empire. Rainfall rates up to 0.30 inches per hour oc-curred
>across the south facing slopes of the San Bernardino Mountains. By the
>evening of Sunday the 19th, total pre-cipitation reached near 10 inches in
>Lytle Creek and the first significant flooding commenced. Runoff from the
>mountains also sent high waters into the Whitewater drainage bringing down
>boulders and large amounts of mud. Satellite imagery depicted anonymously
>high moisture levels across Southern California that extended southwest
>into the tropics.
>On Monday December 20th, the low pressure system remained anchored over the
>eastern Pacific and had moved little, but began to move towards the West
>Coast tapping into
>the high moisture plume that existed across Southern California. Heavy rain
>moved into Orange County and spread southward over San Diego County.
>Rainfall rates increased
>significantly to 0.50 to 0.75 inches per hour across the high terrain and
up
>to 0.25 inches in the valleys. This caused more flooding on Lytle Creek
>where it left its banks and caused water to cross roads. Landslides
resulted
>Monday and Monday night and several rescues were required due to high water
>flows across the entire area. Snow levels on Monday remained above 8000
feet
>but lowered to 6500 feet on Tuesday. Total precipitation amounts reached
>just over 20 inches in parts of the San Bernardino Mountains and 2 to 5
>inches in San Diego County. The last significant and heaviest surge of
>precipitation moved into extreme southwest California during Tuesday
>afternoon and continued into Wednesday morning December 22. This rainfall
>brought 2 day totals just over 4 inches in downtown San Diego and 5 to 10
>inches to most areas. The steady rainfall tapered
>off Wednesday morning with additional showers and isolated thunderstorms
>that continued into Wednesday evening as the final cold front swept through
>the region. Significant flooding occurred in San Diego County Tuesday night
>and Wednesday when the San Diego River rose to just over 14 feet, the
>highest rise since 1980.
>Major landslides and flash flooding impacted the communities of Laguna
>Beach, Apple Valley, along the Whitewater Channel in the Coachella Valley
>near Palm Springs, Highland, Corona, Loma Linda, La Jolla, and the city of
>San Diego from Tuesday into early Wednesday December 22th. Rainfall totals
>for the entire week of 5 to 10 inches were widespread along the coast and
>inland valleys. The mountains received totals of 10 to 28 inches, highest
in
>the Lytle Creek drainage and Crestline area. Heavy wet snow accumulated
>above 6500 feet with amounts over 6 inches and as much as 2 feet above 7500
>feet.
>*Some Background *
>This plume of moisture has been called the "Pineapple Express" or
"Pineapple
>Connection" in the past, and has been called colloquially the "hose". But
>recent research names this phenomenon an "atmospheric river". California
>meteorologists have long known that these "rivers" can set up across the
>ocean for days. They are not unusual, and a few times a decade on aver-age
>they will sock Southern California. One such river produced more than 40
>inches of rainfall in the mountains of southern California in only four
days
>in early January 2005. That, in turn, caused a massive mud-slide in La
>Conchita, Calif., that took 10 lives and pro-duced widespread flooding.
Many
>atmospheric rivers form in the mid-latitudes when cold fronts concentrate
>mois-ture into narrow ribbons as it is transported toward the poles.
>Occasionally, atmospheric rivers tap moisture directly from the tropics. In
>these situations, the likelihood of devastating rainfall and flooding-such
>as what occurred in La Conchita-increase significantly. The above graphic
>illustrates the isolated nature of this particular weather problem.
>California is the national capital of multi-day precipitation totals that
>exceed 16 inches.
>Source:
><http://www.wrh.noaa.gov/sgx/newsletter/current-newsletter.pdf>http://www.w
rh.noaa.gov/sgx/newsletter/current-newsletter.pdf
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weeks, if not months, to repair. (Correction: The KCBS/KCAL Website has a
story on this (Jan 6) that says "years".)
Question: When you have nothing but air, how do you build a road on it?
(Hint: It's not like a sinkhole where the land around the hole still
exists.)
And of course, the land that remains is not stable, so even if they could
just go in and rebuild, they can't go in until everything dries out without
falling.
----------------
* One picture of this:
http://abclocal.go.com/kabc/story?section=resources/traffic&id=7868481
----- Original Message -----
From: "Dennis Robertson" <denrob@csusb.edu>
To: <californiadisasters@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, January 25, 2011 2:02 PM
Subject: Re: [californiadisasters] Digest Number 1424
Thanks for posting this, Kim. The devastation
created by this inundation of rain will take some time to be resolved.
RE:
"The mountains received totals of 10 to 28 inches, highest in
the Lytle Creek drainage and Crestline area. "
Our rain gauge in Crestline (5200 feet) recorded
over 33 inches of rain during the six day period
described below. (We're showing over 46 inches
for the season so far.) I'm sure it was more in
the higher elevations that were below snow
level. It truly was relentless at times. (One
day over 10 inches, one day over 8 inches and one day over 6 inches of
rain.)
This is what brought down Highway 330, the major
artery to Running Springs and the Big Bear
area. There is not much media coverage of this
event but since the road repair is expected to
take at least one year Running Springs and Big
Bear area merchants have already suffered
greatly, and will suffer more. Some are likely
to loose their livelihoods due to this
closure. Any patronage of them would be most appreciated, I'm sure.
Dennis Robertson
Crestline, California
At 04:27 AM 1/22/2011, you wrote:
>4.
>
>Nonstop Rain Inundates Southern California
>
>
>
>
>
>Posted by: "Kim Noyes"
><mailto:kimnoyes@gmail.com?Subject=
>Re%3A%20Nonstop%20Rain%20Inundates%20Southern%20California>kimnoyes@gmail.c
om
><http://profiles.yahoo.com/noyeskim>noyeskim
>
>
>
>
>
>Fri Jan 21, 2011 11:29 pm (PST)
>
>
>
>
>*Nonstop Rain Inundates Southern California*
>*by Alex Tardy and Miguel Miller*
>A plume of moisture across the east Pacific began to develop during the
>middle of December. Light precipitation began across the San Bernardino
>Mountains as early as the 15th, but then in-creased over the mountains and
>in the lowlands and coast on Thursday and Friday December 16th and 17th. By
>Friday night, 1 to 3 inches of precipitation had occurred across the San
>Bernardino Mountains and snow levels were near 8000 feet.
>Steadier widespread rainfall began on the 17th and 18th across Orange
County
>and the Inland Empire. Rainfall rates up to 0.30 inches per hour oc-curred
>across the south facing slopes of the San Bernardino Mountains. By the
>evening of Sunday the 19th, total pre-cipitation reached near 10 inches in
>Lytle Creek and the first significant flooding commenced. Runoff from the
>mountains also sent high waters into the Whitewater drainage bringing down
>boulders and large amounts of mud. Satellite imagery depicted anonymously
>high moisture levels across Southern California that extended southwest
>into the tropics.
>On Monday December 20th, the low pressure system remained anchored over the
>eastern Pacific and had moved little, but began to move towards the West
>Coast tapping into
>the high moisture plume that existed across Southern California. Heavy rain
>moved into Orange County and spread southward over San Diego County.
>Rainfall rates increased
>significantly to 0.50 to 0.75 inches per hour across the high terrain and
up
>to 0.25 inches in the valleys. This caused more flooding on Lytle Creek
>where it left its banks and caused water to cross roads. Landslides
resulted
>Monday and Monday night and several rescues were required due to high water
>flows across the entire area. Snow levels on Monday remained above 8000
feet
>but lowered to 6500 feet on Tuesday. Total precipitation amounts reached
>just over 20 inches in parts of the San Bernardino Mountains and 2 to 5
>inches in San Diego County. The last significant and heaviest surge of
>precipitation moved into extreme southwest California during Tuesday
>afternoon and continued into Wednesday morning December 22. This rainfall
>brought 2 day totals just over 4 inches in downtown San Diego and 5 to 10
>inches to most areas. The steady rainfall tapered
>off Wednesday morning with additional showers and isolated thunderstorms
>that continued into Wednesday evening as the final cold front swept through
>the region. Significant flooding occurred in San Diego County Tuesday night
>and Wednesday when the San Diego River rose to just over 14 feet, the
>highest rise since 1980.
>Major landslides and flash flooding impacted the communities of Laguna
>Beach, Apple Valley, along the Whitewater Channel in the Coachella Valley
>near Palm Springs, Highland, Corona, Loma Linda, La Jolla, and the city of
>San Diego from Tuesday into early Wednesday December 22th. Rainfall totals
>for the entire week of 5 to 10 inches were widespread along the coast and
>inland valleys. The mountains received totals of 10 to 28 inches, highest
in
>the Lytle Creek drainage and Crestline area. Heavy wet snow accumulated
>above 6500 feet with amounts over 6 inches and as much as 2 feet above 7500
>feet.
>*Some Background *
>This plume of moisture has been called the "Pineapple Express" or
"Pineapple
>Connection" in the past, and has been called colloquially the "hose". But
>recent research names this phenomenon an "atmospheric river". California
>meteorologists have long known that these "rivers" can set up across the
>ocean for days. They are not unusual, and a few times a decade on aver-age
>they will sock Southern California. One such river produced more than 40
>inches of rainfall in the mountains of southern California in only four
days
>in early January 2005. That, in turn, caused a massive mud-slide in La
>Conchita, Calif., that took 10 lives and pro-duced widespread flooding.
Many
>atmospheric rivers form in the mid-latitudes when cold fronts concentrate
>mois-ture into narrow ribbons as it is transported toward the poles.
>Occasionally, atmospheric rivers tap moisture directly from the tropics. In
>these situations, the likelihood of devastating rainfall and flooding-such
>as what occurred in La Conchita-increase significantly. The above graphic
>illustrates the isolated nature of this particular weather problem.
>California is the national capital of multi-day precipitation totals that
>exceed 16 inches.
>Source:
><http://www.wrh.noaa.gov/sgx/newsletter/current-newsletter.pdf>http://www.w
rh.noaa.gov/sgx/newsletter/current-newsletter.pdf
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