Sunday, March 20, 2011

Re: MAD (WAS Re: [californiadisasters] Electromagnetic Pulse: Effects on the U.S. Power Grid



I've been telling my 4 kids and a hell of a lot of Firefighters and EMTs for over 20 years that what was said and what you heard might well be VERY different things. 

I wonder if there's any audio or video tape on the point?

I too can't give a rats ass as to print it's too easily bastardized. 

Tapes a bit different.  

Louis N. Molino, Sr. CET
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On Mar 20, 2011, at 23:48, Ernest Hayes <retiredsergeant@gmail.com> wrote:

I dont much care what they wrote I KNOW what I HEARD HIM SAY


On Sun, Mar 20, 2011 at 11:45 PM, Kim Noyes <kimnoyes@gmail.com> wrote:
 

Ernest,

I take offense when a non-American calls my President an idiot and even more offense when a fellow American does so, no matter if he's an idiot or not. We can disagree with our President but all American's need to stop acting like trolls and calling their leaders names and generally dumbing down the political discourse with invective and vitriol.

America has not discontinued it's First Stike Policy, merely further elaborated upon it and rightly so.... how we treat an attack from Iran should not be exactly the same as we do from an attack by China. Nor should we necessarily treat a non-nuclear WMD attack the same as we would a nuclear one. Context is everything and measured responses are wise responses even if ultimately they are devastating in their consequences.

To cordially correct you here is the actual policy changes to which you refer:

http://www.america.gov/st/peacesec-english/2010/April/20100406143409dmslahrellek0.658642.html

On a side-note this is a five-year old article but the basic facts are unchanged from when it was published and yes, we are still kings of the hill for now: http://www.foreignaffairs.com/articles/61508/keir-a-lieber-and-daryl-g-press/the-rise-of-us-nuclear-primacy

Now with this let's move on or move over to the discussion list and leave this main list for more organic disasters like mudslides and flash floods.

Kim Patrick Noyes
List-owner


On Sun, Mar 20, 2011 at 5:34 PM, Ernest Hayes <retiredsergeant@gmail.com> wrote:
Sorry to disagree Kim, but he said we will not retaliate. True he is an
idiot and he can change his mind but for him that's a stretch.


On Sun, Mar 20, 2011 at 7:26 PM, Kim Noyes <kimnoyes@gmail.com> wrote:

>
>
> Louis, any I.C.B.M. headed for U.S. territory is NOT assumed to be carrying
> mere E.M.P. warheads and thus I highly doubt such a vehicle headed our way
> absent a desperate and genuine plea from the source nation that it was a
> tragic mishap would be allowed to unload it's warheads before we were
> responding.
>
> Ernest, the POTUS said we would not strike first, NOT that we would never
> retaliate.
> However, that stated policy is unwise because ones want all foes, actual
> and potential, to think one is just crazy enough to do something a bit rash
> even if one merely being crazy like a fox. This generates its own deterrent
> effect without firing a shot.
>
> Kimmer




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