Sunday, March 13, 2011

[californiadisasters] Re: off topic

It's official: http://www3.nhk.or.jp/daily/english/13_10.html

Sunday, March 13, 2011 09:37 +0900 (JST) [excerpt]

On Saturday, the government's Nuclear and Industrial Safety Agency said 2 radioactive substances, cesium and iodine, had been detected near the Number One reactor at the Number One power plant.


* * This indicates nuclear fission of uranium fuel. * *
The agency announced some fuel in the reactor had partially melted. Sea water is being used to try to cool that reactor.
The electric company is not sure how soon it will be able to completely halt the reactors at the 2 power stations.
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Mover along, nothing to see, move along..

PS - KI is an OTC substance, and has always been at hand in my travel kit. How much, and how high the Iodine-131 gets lofted, and if it gets into the jet stream, it may not even come down, if it's light enough to get up there. I'm glad to be >4,000 miles away

Apparently, the batteries that run the backup pumps are going flat, some were damaged in the quake, along with the backup generators/pumps. That's why the cooling is shutting down, and seawater is being pumped in as a desperation measure.

--- In californiadisasters@yahoogroups.com, newnethboy <kef413@...> wrote:
>
> I caution against "assuming", "guessing", etc. This is no different than
> rumor-mongering.
>
> There was a news item cited here earlier that gave the horrific-sounding
> news of radiation levels 1000 times normal, but didn't relate that to levels
> of safety (or indeed to any actual meaning). The last thing we need is
> sensationalism; this tragedy needs no hype.
>
> NHK World (where it's available--ch 18.2 in L.A.) has been covering the
> quake, tsunami, and nuclear emergency quite well and pretty much
> continually. While the Chief Cabinet Secretary didn't spell out what an
> "Article 15, Clause 1 event" is, he did clearly state what the conditions
> were. Summarizing: Cooling efforts working, escaping radiation well below
> safe levels, probably some meltdown in reactor one, some meltdown possible
> in reactor three (won't be able to know for some time--can't just go look).
>
> ====
> I think it would be very helpful to explain some of the culture of nuclear
> energy. Safety concerns are extreme, and alarms come in at the slightest
> things. Where I worked many years ago, we had, as I recall, three levels of
> possible alarm, and even the lowest level (e.g. a tiny scratch in the paint)
> would bury you in reports and investigations and would reverberate to the
> highest levels of management. (And I never saw that level of alarm. We just
> didn't scratch anything!)
>
> So when you see and hear the concern from the officials, understand that it
> doesn't translate to "Apocalypse Now", but that the nuclear people "just get
> that way". An analogy would be if someone flicked you off on the freeway and
> CHP swooped in, shut the freeway down, investigated, measured and
> photographed everything, interrogated every possible witness, and initiated
> an aggressive search for the perpetrator.
>
> Again, I don't wish to downplay that they have a real problem; just that
> we're not all doomed (at least not yet). In other words, words such as the
> PG&E operator's would, as Mark Twain's obituary, be "greatly exaggerated".
>
> BTW, so far I've seen nothing to hint that anything like the debacle at
> Three Mile Island (a mixture of bureaucratic bungling) is happening here.
>
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Don Andrews" <don.andrews_safeway@...>
> To: <californiadisasters@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Saturday, March 12, 2011 9:54 PM
> Subject: Re: [californiadisasters] off topic
>
>
> I'm thinking the PG&E Control Room operator's comment would apply here.
>
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: Joann Lavis <joalis76@...>
> To: californiadisasters@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Sat, March 12, 2011 8:07:10 PM
> Subject: RE: [californiadisasters] off topic
>
>
> this might help as to information on whats going as to the reactors
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2011_Nuclear_Disaster#2011_Sendai_earthquake_an
> d_tsunami
>
>
>
> ________________________________
> To: californiadisasters@yahoogroups.com
> From: grams46@...
> Date: Sat, 12 Mar 2011 22:42:27 -0500
> Subject: [californiadisasters] off topic
>
>
> http://www.cnn.com/2011/WORLD/asiapcf/03/12/japan.nuclear/index.html
>
> "We are assuming that a meltdown has occurred" at a quake-damaged
> nuclear reactor, Japan's chief Cabinet secretary says.
>


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