Public Resources Code section 4291
The distance may be determined by local authorities and may be to the property line. That allows factoring in slope, aspect, fuel types etc.
Rick
Blame the typos on the iPhone. It's awkward to type on one.
Most jurisidictions in CA I know of recommend if not outright require defensible space.... I know up here in SLO County most municipalities will mow your flash fuels for you if you do not and then tack that expense onto your property tax..... CalFire recommends 100 feet but I'm not sure if they actually enforce it as opposed to merely recommending it....
KimmerOn Sun, Dec 19, 2010 at 10:13 AM, Louis N. Molino, Sr. <lnmolino@aol.com> wrote:Ya can't fix stupid. One thing I will give kudos to my home state is that in the area known as the Pine Barrens you MUST create defensible spaces in the UWI zone. Its inspected and unless you meet the requirements you won't be able to buy fire insurance for the property.
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On Dec 19, 2010, at 11:36, "Daithi" <dboconnor1@earthlink.net> wrote:
> I would point out that one can only "2. Manage one's property in a manner that minimizes personal risks." if the government permits one to do so.
>
> During the "Black Saturday" fires in 2009 in the state of Victoria in Australia there were laws put in place by environmental lobbies that prevented removing most vegetation, even fairly close to houses. In one community over 100 houses burned and only one house survived. Why did the one house survive? The owner had, in violation of the law, removed vegetation close to his home. He had been prosecuted by the state government and fined over A$100,000.00.
>
> I understand that there have now been some changes to the law and you now can remove all vegetation within 10 metres of a house instead of the 3 metre limit that was in place at the time of the fire. A minor change and it only took the loss of 173 lives and over 2000 houses for the politicians to act.
>
> --- In californiadisasters@yahoogroups.com, newnethboy <kef413@...> wrote:
>>
>> The real solution for this is to:
>>
>> 1. Not live in the urban-wildland interface, or
>>
>> 2. Manage one's property in a manner that minimizes personal risks.
>>
>> There is much area that's not anywhere near the fire danger or the mudflow
>> danger after a fire. (In the UWI, the danger of fire exists at almost any
>> time--the exception being right after a fire. The danger of mudflow is
>> limited to a year or two after a fire, so prep is different.)
>>
>> Unlike being in a tornado or hurricane area, the fire danger here is quite
>> limited to specific places.
>>
>> But still, those who choose to live in UWI areas are, in fact, in the same
>> position as those in, say, New Braunfels, TX, who've built and rebuilt in a
>> floodplain and rely on Federal disaster relief to keep rebuilding. You and
>> I, who plan and protect ourselves, still have to pay for these people who
>> don't.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Louis N. Molino, Sr." <lnmolino@...>
>> To: <californiadisasters@yahoogroups.com>
>> Sent: Sunday, December 19, 2010 5:55 AM
>> Subject: Re: [californiadisasters] Batten Down Your Hatches!
>>
>>
>> As I see it you have two choice.
>>
>> 1) Move from CA!
>>
>> 2) understand the idea of an All Hazards Management Plan as well as self
>> preparedness.
>>
>> Sadly most won't do 1 and fewer will do 2 relying on Government for rescue
>> at their time of need and that can be a fatal mistake!
>>
>> Louis N. Molino, Sr. CET
>> FF/NREMT/FSI/EMSI
>> Typed by my fingers on my iPhone.
>> Please excuse any typos.
>> (979) 412-0890 (Cell)
>> LNMolino@...
>>
>> On Dec 19, 2010, at 7:41, newnethboy <kef413@...> wrote:
>>
>>> That's exactly the dilemma we face in this fire ecology:
>>>
>>> 1. Not enough rain, we fear fire.
>>>
>>> 2. Rain, we fear fire.
>>>
>>> As for the steadiness of this rain, that's typical of the Pineapple
>> express.
>>> Our usual rain pattern consists of getting hit by the tail of a Pacific NW
>>> storm. The tail passes over us and we get rain, for a few hours or most of
>> a
>>> day.
>>>
>>> By contrast, this moisture is coming straight across the Ocean in a steady
>>> stream. No visible let-up in the cloud out way past HI; the satellite map
>>> looks much the same now as it did Thursday.
>>>
>>> And so does the 7-day forecast--well, it did: Now that the forecast for
>>> Thursday is posted, it's predicted to be mostly sunny.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: <Fizzboy7@...>
>>> To: <californiadisasters@yahoogroups.com>
>>> Sent: Saturday, December 18, 2010 10:58 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [californiadisasters] Batten Down Your Hatches!
>>>
>>>
>>> In Northridge, it has not stopped raining here the entire day. I
>>> haven't seen one break since the sun rose. I can't recall a storm this
>>> constant. After all is said and done, the hills (what's left of them)
>>> are
>>> going to be raging with new growth. I can't help but think about next
>>> Fall
>>> and the fire potential.
>>>
>>> Jason
>>>
>>>
>>> In a message dated 12/18/2010 10:39:41 P.M. Pacific Standard Time,
>>> kef413@... writes:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> LA media are saying we're expecting heavy rain tonight/Sunday morning.
>> It's
>>> been raining since Thursday (or was it Wednesday?) but moderately to
>>> heavily
>>> only for a few brief spells. Temps in the 50sF and snow level above 8000
>>> ft.
>>>
>>> Nevertheless, people can't drive, and there have been lots and lots of
>>> traffic incidents.
>>>
>>> Prediction is that at some time in the next day or few, the Pineapple
>>> Express is going to give way to the Low Pressure system, giving us a
>> colder
>>> storm. Should bring snow levels down and get the ski industry energized.
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Kim Noyes" <_kimnoyes@..._ (mailto:kimnoyes@...) >
>>> To: "CaliforniaDisasters" <_californiadisasters@yahoogroups.com_
>>> (mailto:californiadisasters@yahoogroups.com) >
>>> Sent: Saturday, December 18, 2010 9:02 PM
>>> Subject: [californiadisasters] Batten Down Your Hatches!
>>>
>>>> ...A SERIES OF UNUSUALLY WET PACIFIC STORM SYSTEMS WILL IMPACT
>>>> SOUTHWESTERN CALIFORNIA WITH STRONG WINDS AND VERY HEAVY RAINS
>>>> THROUGH AT LEAST THE MIDDLE OF NEXT WEEK...
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
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