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Re: [californiadisasters] Sierra snowpack shows improvement, but not enough t...



One other thing to consider when battling lawns is that some sociologists would argue that flat grasslands appeal to what is called a "race memory," which is an artifact within the brain, leftover from the time when our ancestors roamed the African savannahs for thousands of years. Homo sapiens sapiens are an intriguing species and the sales of riding mowers, grass seeds, sod, and other tools may support an even greater complexity within us.

Lin

On Fri, Apr 15, 2016 at 2:56 AM, Fizzboy7@aol.com [californiadisasters] <californiadisasters@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
 

I disagree about the culture of lawns.   They are, and have been, a huge part of western culture in California.   Most of us grew up playing ball or games on front lawns and in backyards.   Picnics, pets playing, beautification, erosion control, and lowering surface temps have all been a grand tradition of having a lawn.  They serve many positive purposes.
I think there are better things to eliminate or conserve with.

Jason
 
In a message dated 4/14/2016 3:17:35 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, californiadisasters@yahoogroups.com writes:
 

Agriculture brings in far less revenue than what is generated in the urban areas and they use a lot less water doing it (ag to urban water use is a 5 to 1 ratio and that is out of the 50% of the total left over after conservation uses get their half. I'm all for ag but ag needs to be done in a way that accounts for the given climate in the given area and some types of crops may need to be no longer grown in California. One thing that cities need to do is eliminate all lawns... lawns are a relic of a culture based in Europe and later in the Eastern U.S. They are not appropriate west of the Rockies except for in the Pac. NW.

On Thu, Apr 14, 2016 at 2:43 PM, Pamela Alley rnrq@att.net [californiadisasters] <californiadisasters@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
 

No question in my mind that ALL aspects of water use are going to have to be re-evaluated, but the provision of already overpopulated areas with liberal amounts of water cannot be the primary concern. Ecosystems are important, even if some don't agree, and so is agriculture--that's what actually drives a huge portion of CA economy. Can we afford to keep crippling it? Questions like that are important.

Conservation is not necessarily a bad or pointless thing; it keeps us happy and fed in some cases; in others, it helps keep watersheds and various ecosystems intact which, if destroyed through lack of water, could have devastating ripple effects.

So yes, we all need to look hard at what we do and how we do it....but we also must remember that we aren't the only ones out here that need water.

PA

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>Agriculture uses 500% more of the water than urban areas and often growing water-intensive crops that are probably no longer appropriate to grow in California and they often benefit from antiquated water agreements drawn up in the 19th century when California and the West were very different than they are now. Another problem is that half of the water available in California is not even available to human use but is set aside for conservation. We need to look at that and see if we need to change that percentage. In other words, AG needs to change, urban growth needs to slow and get more efficient which it has but more is needed and water for conservation may need to be looked at for possible reallocation of some of it.
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>On Thu, Apr 14, 2016 at 10:48 AM, Pamela Alley rnrq@att.net [californiadisasters] <californiadisasters@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
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>>Nope. You bring 'em up here, you STAY to deal with 'em!
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>>Like the cut-off idea, though, at least for the cities. Ag can have what they need within reasonable limits.... :)
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>>You'd think they'd have learned from Owens Valley but noooo....
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>>PA
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