I didn't for one second believe that you were calling Lynn a racist, merely that your comment was calling her a racist. ;-p
You are more than welcome to take offense at whatever floats your boat and join the majority of our fellow Americans whose sensitivities are offended at one thing or another at any given moment but be offended over on the discussion list now. ;-p
On Fri, May 27, 2011 at 5:52 PM, Louis N. Molino, Sr. <firstname.lastname@example.org> wrote:
Kimmer,If I wanted to call a PERSON. A racist I'd have said that. I said the STATEMENT was IN MY OPINION.Pretty simple use if the American English my Mother and teachers taught to me.As for our Service Members protecting the Language wasn't my point and frankly Stevie Wonder could likely see I was referring to free speech not what language it's in.As got Ebonics being a dialect of English. With a long stretch and a few pulls I'll give you that but it's NOT a "language" of the African Americans it's as I said an abomination used by I'll educated morons. Trust me I can speak street, firehouse chat, prison rap (I worked Camden in the 80's) and half a dozen other dialects but when I converse the majority of the time it's in that bastardized version of the Queens English my Mother with her 8th Grade education called American English.I was and remain insulted in the assertion that Ebonics is anything more or less than the abomination I've now referred to it more than a few times.
On May 27, 2011, at 19:36, Kim Noyes <email@example.com> wrote:Louis,
When you said this:"The statement "With African American, it's "ebonics" Is among the most inaccurate incorrect downright wring and frankly racist statements I've heard on a list in a while." I took that to mean you were calling Lynn a racist and I still don't see how that cannot be what you were articulating but then again I come from the land of "fruits and nuts" so maybe I'm way off base here. ;-p
Our servicemembers who have sacrificed their physical lives for us were not fighting for the Queen's English last I checked.
Ebonics is a dialect of English and there are many dialects of English including the one spoken by Mafiosos in your Native New Jersey and that is no more or less an abomination of the English language. Kapeesh?
KimmerOn Fri, May 27, 2011 at 5:28 PM, Louis N. Molino, Sr. <firstname.lastname@example.org> wrote:
When did I say Lynn was a racist I said the statement was and that my opinion like it leave it hate me me I'll be named before I apologize for that.Too many Soldiers, Sailors, Airmen and Marines shed real blood for me to bastardize that.As for peace out ... You're kidding right?
On May 27, 2011, at 19:19, Kim Noyes <email@example.com> wrote:Why the hell are we still talking about this at all let alone NOT on the discussion list where I herded it a few days ago?
However, some things here need to be clarified and shall be done so cross-posted to the discussion list and any responses better be there, Nothing sticks a flaming stick up my ass more than on-list flames so this ends now.
Lynn is no racist and given how serious a charge that is one better have plenty to back it up.
Lynn is in fact a "progressive" (actually more accurately a Neo-Progressive as Classic Progressives like Earl Warren and going further back than that are from Lynn's parent's and grandparent's generation and no longer exist). Lynn lives in the Big Easy with plenty of black and white ebonics speakers and non-speakers alike and is more exposed to it than most of us and is qualified to speak on the topic.
The black (there is no such thing as "African-American" unless I'm a European-American and if anybody referred to me as such I'd give them a look like they were a complete idiot) underclass speaks ebonics while the black middle class and upper class do not. The same is true of much of White America with young "wiggers" (wannabe inner city blacks) speaking in ebonics (as does much of the brown urban lower class) while the white (and brown) middle and upper classes do not speak in ebonics.
The urban black underclass invented ebonics but it has caught on in society across all ethnic boundaries and even to be cool many in the middle and upper classes of all breeds of American citizens use it myself included(Sup dog?/You go girl!).
Peace ~ Out !!!On Fri, May 27, 2011 at 4:58 PM, Louis N. Molino, Sr. <firstname.lastname@example.org> wrote:
LynnThe statement "With African American, it's "ebonics""
Is among the most inaccurate incorrect downright wring and frankly racist statements I've heard on a list in a while.Ebonics is an abomination and while the vast numbers of folks that speak it are black the vast majority of African Americans certainty do not use Ebonics on every day conversation.Oh and I'm a white middle class republican male who makes about 6 figures and I'm insulted.
Louis N. Molino, Sr. CET
On May 27, 2011, at 18:38, email@example.com wrote:
With African American, it's "ebonics", and with Native Americans I suspect
Check out http://groups.yahoo.com/group/californiadisasters/
Read our blog at http://eclecticarcania.blogspot.com/
Visit me on Facebook at http://www.facebook.com/derkimster