PC is way out of control even in cyberspace.
Louis N. Molino, Sr. CET
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On May 27, 2011, at 19:45, newnethboy <email@example.com> wrote:
> IMO as a moderator, this thread is getting way too OT. I replied to Linn's
> post on the Discussion group; I'm replying to Louis' message here because I
> think this is a very important (and volatile) subject and I hope to diffuse
> this thread a little. However, please take all further discussion to the
> Discussion group (not that it's on-topic there, but not as flagrant as being
> here). Thanks.
> IMO, one of the huge problems we have in sorting out our "melting pot"
> society today is that we make typifications along racial lines when the
> correlation between the subject we're talking about and racial lines is just
> not that strong. (In fact, "multiculturalism" promotes this, pushing us to
> see people as in groups, rather than as individuals. Another "issue" IMO.)
> "Ebonics"* is a good example of this. Many "African-Americans" do in fact
> speak "Ebonics". Many do not. This is a cultural issue: People who grew up
> in the Deep South, in urban neighborhoods, or in rural areas where Ebonics
> was predominant learned, naturally, to speak it. People who grew up in the
> North, the suburbs, etc., where Ebonics may have existed but was not
> predominant, are unlikely to speak it.
> (In the same way, although my grandfather's father was born and raised in
> Cuba, my grandfather spoke English without accent [even that of his native
> Brooklyn, NY!]. On the other hand, I personally know people who were born
> and raised in the US who speak English with a pronounced Spanish accent.)
> Another example: IMO, we have a problem in many areas (including where I
> live) of non-performing students in the schools, and it seems to me that a
> big hindrance to effectively dealing with the problem is that the issue of
> race is superimposed onto the problem. The students who are not performing
> (won't or can't) are predominantly "poor". By this I mean, "having poor
> ways", not necessarily "economically disadvantaged" (although poor ways do
> nothing to bring people above "disadvantaged"). While in my home area Blacks
> and Hispanics are over-represented among the "poor" and Whites and Asians
> are under-represented, there are "poor" but also achievers among every
> cultural group and racial group.
> And this seems a good place to do what those Amerindian students were doing,
> and quit at this point without stating a conclusion!
> * I'm very reluctantly using the word "Ebonics" here, primarily because I
> don't want to get even way farther OT and way closer to talking politics
> than we already are. Please take it in the present context to mean only the
> dialect itself from a linguistic perspective, even though the word has a
> significant political charge.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Louis N. Molino, Sr." <firstname.lastname@example.org>
> To: <email@example.com>
> Sent: Friday, May 27, 2011 4:58 PM
> Subject: Re: [californiadisasters] Re: A why is it?
> The statement "With African American, it's "ebonics""
> Is among the most inaccurate incorrect downright wring and frankly racist
> statements I've heard on a list in a while.
> Ebonics is an abomination and while the vast numbers of folks that speak it
> are black the vast majority of African Americans certainty do not use
> Ebonics on every day conversation.
> Oh and I'm a white middle class republican male who makes about 6 figures
> and I'm insulted.
> Louis N. Molino, Sr. CET
> Training Program Manager
> Fire & Safety Specialists, Inc.
> Typed by my fingers on my iPhone.
> Please excuse any typos.
> (979) 412-0890 (Cell)
> (979) 690-7559 (Office)
> (979) 690-7562 (Office Fax)
> On May 27, 2011, at 18:38, firstname.lastname@example.org wrote:
>> With African American, it's "ebonics", and with Native Americans I suspect
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