Re: [californiadisasters] Re: California's Snow Not Disappearing Despite Drought

ACK! I neglected to finish my point! So, my point is that as with the case of the California Coastal Cooling as it relates to Global Warming so it is with the Sierra Nevada snowfall issue. Perhaps there is a lag or perhaps a warming climate NEVER changes the snowfall rates going back millions of years or perhaps some as-of-yet undiscovered feedback loop keeps the rate level or perhaps there is a trigger point (as there often is in so many things in the natural world) wherein levels are constant until some point is reached (in this case some level of warming is achieved that we have not yet reached, etc.). It is always important to not jump to conclusions based upon one single study in anything in science.... it's about multidisciplinary scientific consensus and overlapping evidence.

Kimmer

On Thu, Mar 15, 2012 at 10:45 AM, Kim Noyes <kimnoyes@gmail.com> wrote:

Mike,

What you are suggesting is that this disproves that there is any climate change occurring if I read you correctly. If that is the case your logic is flawed. Taking that same principle then one could derive from it that in a particular election pitting Candidate A against Candidate B that since a particular precinct voted overwhelmingly in favor of Candidate B then necessarily Candidate B won the election when in fact the precinct in question did not follow the election-wide trend which saw Candidate A win in a landslide.

Furthermore, often what seems contradictory in science to a particular truth actually makes sense when one digs deeper. For example, one would expect in a warming climate that California would be getting warmer (and it is) and one would expect that to apply to the coastline as well as the inland areas (but it is not). Actually, it appears that the California coastline is cooling which seems to defy the global trend (which is very real). After a bit of deeper digging researchers have figured out the why of this trend and it actually is in line with the overall trend as opposed to being an aberration (and there are those, too, but they don't disprove anything). What researchers have found and good old fashioned understanding of how weather and climate works will tell you is that as the inland areas get hotter they will (and are) generating stronger thermal lows over the inland valleys and deserts which means an even stronger surge of hot air upwards. This in turn creates an even stronger vacuum at the surface as air moves upward thus pulling air in from the coastal regions even more strongly. This in turn means more of that cold air from the offshore areas (where upwelling from the abyssal depths of the Pacific Ocean and cold currents from the Northern Pacific) cool the air directly above it and that air in turn gets pulled into the coast making the coast even colder while the inland areas are getting hotter. See how complicated these things get?

Kimmer

On Wed, Mar 14, 2012 at 7:25 AM, Michael <mike_burgess@yahoo.com> wrote:

 

Uh oh. real science. Hard copy records. No hanging chad....

--- In californiadisasters@yahoogroups.com, Lin Kerns <linkerns@...> wrote:
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> California's Snow Not Disappearing Despite Drought
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> ScienceDaily (Mar. 12, 2012) — During some winters a significant amount of
> snow falls on parts of California. During other winters -- like this one
> (so far) -- there is much less snow. But more than 130 years of snow data
> show that over time snowfall in California is neither increasing nor

> decreasing.....
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